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PostSubject: Re: Subtle Rules Left Unsaid   Sat Jan 28, 2017 9:33 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Subtle Rules Left Unsaid   Sat Jan 28, 2017 9:54 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Subtle Rules Left Unsaid   Sun Jan 29, 2017 4:09 pm

While in their True Selves form, Shadow Selves are able to behave exactly like any regular Persona, which means Luck affects their speed and Real Damage does not harm them.

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PostSubject: Re: Subtle Rules Left Unsaid   Sun Jan 29, 2017 4:55 pm

Penny wrote:
and Real Damage does not harm them.

That part seems incorrect. IIRC, Rinna killed Theda back in Azores Part I with real damage, and I think she was in her true self form at the time.

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PostSubject: Re: Subtle Rules Left Unsaid   Sun Jan 29, 2017 5:46 pm

Term has confirmed that Shadow Selves in their True Form are indeed immune to Real Damage. That's why Persona Users usually deal with them, because regular weaponry is often not enough to do anything more than slow them down. As for environmental hazards, it really depends on the True Self form's specifics.

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PostSubject: Re: Subtle Rules Left Unsaid   Sun Jan 29, 2017 7:00 pm

Rinna killed Theda in her human form lol

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PostSubject: Re: Subtle Rules Left Unsaid   Mon Jan 30, 2017 2:03 am

So I was told to ask about this here: Shadow Selves get to pick body parts of their True Forms as their soublounds, but what about the Sidearm? Can it be a body part too, and if not, does the true form have to wield the gun?
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PostSubject: Re: Subtle Rules Left Unsaid   Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:11 am

I would say no because it isn't bound to your body like the soulbound is. Unless you're an ASSW I cant imagine you having part of your body as a sidearm.

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PostSubject: Re: Subtle Rules Left Unsaid   Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:16 am

If a Shadow Self has to pick a part of their True Form's body as their soulbound, does that mean they can't summon and use it in normal form?

Additional question: why didn't you normies ever specify stuff like this? REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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PostSubject: Re: Subtle Rules Left Unsaid   Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:31 am

In theory any class can use any body part as a soulbound a la Chie so I am not sure why people made the distinction at Shadow Selves. This has been done before. So some rules in this topic that are clarified should seem second nature. Having said that shadow selves can use soul skills and soulbound weapons outside True Self just like normal users can use them without summoning a Persona. That has always been a thing.

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PostSubject: Re: Subtle Rules Left Unsaid   Mon Jan 30, 2017 11:51 am

This is just nitpicking, but Chie's "soulbound" was the shoes she wore, not her actual legs/feet.

Anyway, I think Moonie's question confused me a bit in the way it was phrased. Do Shadow Selves deal with soulbounds like the other classes or do they have to select a True Form body part as their soulbound? I was under the impression it was the former, but I might be wrong like I was about the real damage thing. Also, if they specifically note it's a part of their True Form, how would they be able to use it without transforming? Do they just get gigantic, over-sized hair or have their arm grow ridiculously disproportionate to the rest of their body? Additionally, does that mean that specific part of their body is immune to real damage when they summon it? I'd assume that's the case, but I also figured you'd have to take a character strength or two if you wanted something like that. If not, what's stopping somebody from making their entire body their soulbound and completely ignoring any means of inflicting real damage due to the supernatural nature of those kinds of weapons?

Also, if a Shadow Self can turn a part of their True Form into their soulbound, does that mean they can bypass normal soulbound size limits? Shadow Self True Forms have the same maximum size of Personas and any "weapons" Personas carry are able to be larger than the average soulbound IIRC. Could I make a Shadow Self with a nine foot long sword and use it as my means of inflicting dex damage or would the size limits remain the same?

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PostSubject: Re: Subtle Rules Left Unsaid   Mon Jan 30, 2017 12:15 pm

The concept of Soulbound isn't a thing in the actual games, so I fail to see the argument to be put up there on either side.

Either way, Shadow Selves, when choosing a Soulbound, often make an alternate version of it for when they're out of their True Self form, if it's part of their body otherwise. For example, someone who could turn into a Dragon as their True Self and would normally have their claws as a Soulbound, could summon instead a pair of clawed gauntlets in their regular human form without needing to spend any strengths on it. This has been done plenty of times before, it does not, in any way, mean that someone could make their entire body into a Soulbound that way because that's simply ludicrous, even with five Strengths backing it up.

In their True Self form, I fail to see how it being over the usual Soulbound size is an issue. When they're in human form, they're regular weapons and obey regular Soulbound rules, but in True Self they have no such limitation, because you're basically a walking Persona at that point. Use some common sense for this, there's been enough Shadow Selves out there to figure out how their Soulbounds work.

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PostSubject: Re: Subtle Rules Left Unsaid   Mon Jan 30, 2017 12:22 pm

Point is, anyone can do it. Again drawing the line at Shadow Selves is odd.

Making your entire body as a soulbound weapon is ridiculous if you actually thought we would allow that, lol. Like Penny said the weapon can potentially change without a strength as long as it makes sense. No one HAS to make part of their body a soulbound, they just can and they have to accept limitations or pick another weapon. But if you make part of your body a soulbound weapon, you still are not immune to Persona attacks, you never were. You can use it to combat other soulbound weapons and real world objects and that's it.

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PostSubject: Re: Subtle Rules Left Unsaid   Mon Jan 30, 2017 3:21 pm

You can be strong against, or weak against, Ailments and the Gun Element, if you so choose, and they count just as much as any other elemental strength or weakness. Note: You must be strong or weak to ALL ailments, you cannot just pick Mental or Physical Ailments (Wild Card Personas may break this, but it applies to player-made Personas in general).

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PostSubject: Re: Subtle Rules Left Unsaid   Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:13 am

[20:12:34] TheDeathNaught1 : how do guards work on insta-kills?

[20:13:08] @ Grantus : Like ailments, they don't work if you guard.

Same for Light/Dark skills

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